Series 2010/101 - Mandela receiving a copy of "Conversations with Myself"

[off camera chat]
AHMED KATHRADA: The country and the world is going to listen and read about what you
say in your own words
NELSON MANDELA: I see
AHMED KATHRADA: and not what other people are saying what you are saying through the
letters, through the interviews, through the calendar, through your notebooks
NELSON MANDELA: Aha
AHMED KATHRADA: everything is in your words.
NELSON MANDELA: I see
AHMED KATHRADA: So it’s unprecedented and unique in that sense
NELSON MANDELA: Are those the letters I wrote in prison?
AHMED KATHRADA: From prison
NELSON MANDELA: From prison, yes
AHMED KATHRADA: Mainly to Winnie and to Zindzi and Zeni
NELSON MANDELA: I see
AHMED KATHRADA: You have publicly said that you should not be treated as a saint.
Because you’ve got short-comings like all human beings have, but that we have been saying
that, what you have said to us and what you have been ... this here is in your own words.
NELSON MANDELA: I see
AHMED KATHRADA: this what you are saying here and that is being quoted
NELSON MANDELA: I see
AHMED KATHRADA: in your own words
NELSON MANDELA: Hmm, that’s good
AHMED KATHRADA: So there are various aspects ranging from so many different things
which have been written about but not in your own words.
NELSON MANDELA: I see
AHMED KATHRADA: And here we’ll have it all, everything, from beginning to end, all in your
own words
[off camera chat]
NELSON MANDELA: I see, aha
ZINDZI MANDELA: We are here today to show you this wonderful publication
NELSON MANDELA: I see
NELSON MANDELA: Forward by President Barack Obama. Hmm, that’s interesting
ZINDZI MANDELA: What about the first time you learned to shoot in Morocco?
AHMED KATHRADA: Well that was, Morocco, ah Algeria was still fighting its liberation struggle
but neighbouring Morocco had allowed the Algerians to set up Algerian camps
NELSON MANDELA: Yes
AHMED KATHRADA: in Morocco. And that is where Madiba had part of his training. And
also to brush up on his shooting abilities.
Laughter
NELSON MANDELA: You see when the Algerians said, ‘can you shoot that point across the
valley?’ and I shot. They all screamed ‘is it your first time to shoot?’ I said, ‘Yes’ (laughs). They
wouldn’t believe that. I didn’t want to say, ‘No, I’ve shot before’. But I said, ‘No, it’s my first
time’.
NELSON MANDELA: I’ll read this at home
AHMED KATHRADA: I think it’s something that’s unprecedented. A lot has been written
about Madiba in South Africa, all over the world. But there’s hardly anything that is in his own
words. In his own written words, and speaking on tape. There’s just nothing like it
[off camera chat]
VERNE HARRIS: You might remember this story of how these two notebooks were removed
from Madiba’s cell on Robben Island for the security police to look for coding and they were
never returned to him. Donald Card, the former security policeman kept them in his house
for over 30 years and then in 2004 he brought them back and gave them to Madiba. These
are what are called by Madiba himself, ‘Family Correspondence’, notebooks so you can
see that’s Madiba’s hand. And what he did was he would draft letters here, then he would
transcribe from here onto the paper to be sent. Now you might recognise this one, this is
1969.
ZINDZI MANDELA reading: ‘The nice letter written by Zindzi reached me safely. I was indeed
very glad to know that she is now in Standard Two. Wow, it’s 1969
VERNE HARRIS: Ja
ZINDZI MANDELA: Oh my word, this is so sweet
VERNE HARRIS: That’s to you and Zeni ‘my darlings’
ZINDZI MANDELA: Oh man
[off camera chat]
ZINDZI MANDELA: I just, you know, I think it’s a very beautiful gift to me right now and to
anybody else who would be reading the book. I came across like a letter that he wrote to me,
that I obviously didn’t get, where he was analysing my poetry and so on. It was such a, you
know it was very touching, it was quite emotional
[off camera chat]
VERNE HARRIS: So we were saying, Zindzi, he started in ’76 and he didn’t record much in
those days, I think he was using it mainly as a calendar but then progressively he started
writing more and more ...
VERNE HARRIS: in 1989 and towards the end and you’ll see that he’s keeping quite detailed
records now and sometimes it’s as simple as a visit
[off camera chat]
VERNE HARRIs: But he would also write down sometimes a dream or a reflection on something
that had been said or something that happened and also his weight and his blood
pressure, you can see he’s recording that.
[off camera chat]
Soundbite Verne Harris: Well I think the book is significant because it enables us to hear
the voice of the human being behind the public figure, for members of the public to engage
Madiba not speaking to a particular audience but rather reflecting, speaking to himself.
You’re not going to find that outside of his archive and the book endeavours to make that
archive accessible to people.